Thursday, July 16, 2009

Impossibilities

Last week, I had a committee meeting.  In preparation for the meeting, I met with my PI to discuss how to rework my aims, change my hypothesis, and the best way to lay out the “future manuscript” my committee likes to see (i.e., when I acquire data, I will put it into a paper like so).  This lead to a very long discussion in which my PI decided that I had too much chemistry in my project (too MUCH chemistry?  blasphemy!  there is no such thing.) and wanted to try to shift it back to the biochemistry/biophysics side of things.

Now, let’s backtrack a wee bit here.  My second and third years of graduate school were encompassed mostly by failed purification attempts of a fragment of a particular protein which binds to the main protein studied by the lab.  Let’s call this protein fragment Protein Y.  Now, I was not the first person to be assigned the task of purification; rather, a post-doc in the lab and our protein purification lab tech had each sacrificed months of their time in lab attempting to purify Protein Y with no success.  I, however, was not aware of the previous failed attempts, and presuming Protein Y to be like any other protein for which I found a purification strategy, forged ahead with elaborate plans of what to do with said protein, including crosslinking and mass spec to identify the region where Protein Y binds to Protein X, and attempts at co-crystallzation, thinking that perhaps Protein Y would stabilize Protein X enough to form crystals.

I then spent two miserable years trying to purify protein Y, with no success at all.  I certainly do not consider this time to be a waste… rather, I acquired so much knowledge about protein purification and various ways to purify a protein that I have now become the resident protein purification expert.  The chair of biochemistry has informed me that there is quite the demand for biochemist post-docs with expertise in protein purification, so even though the project tanked, I still think it was integral to my future purification success and perhaps even obtaining a future position.

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The Protein Y Purification Project never officially closed, but rather, my time was shifted to working on other projects to help get a paper out the door.  I, naively perhaps, assumed that since my thesis aims had shifted to reflect new developments in the lab, and a project which interested me much more (more chemistry! more biophysics!), I was off the hook from my dreaded Protein Y purification days.

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Until last week, when I met with my PI.  He wants me to go back to Protein Y purification, and re-visit the crosslinking and co-crystallization ideas.  Nevermind that the lab has now spent 3+ years trying to purify the protein, racking the brains of one post-doc, one protein guru technician, and one very disgruntled graduate student.  I moaned.  I groaned.  And boy, did I complain.  And then, I offered up a perfectly acceptable solution for determining the binding location without having to purify the protein.  My PI thought about this, and agreed that it would be a good alternative… but really, he’d rather just have me purify the protein.  I have no doubt that this has less to do with my own experiments, and more to do with all the things he thinks he could do with a purified protein after I leave… after all, his priority is the future of the lab, and not getting me out the door in a timely fashion.

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At my committee meeting, after I presented everything (quite well, according to my PI), the chair of my committee asked what I thought the biggest challenge would be to completing my aims.  Without hesitation, I pointed directly to Protein Y as the source of my likely shortcomings.  The other members of my committee nodded and agreed, after witnessing two years of my failed attempts.  But, never one to be discouraged or accept that perhaps a protein just cannot be purified, my PI immediately jumped up and went through a spiel about how I am a better biochemist now than I was two years ago and how I will certainly have much more success this time.

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After just one more week back with Protein Y, I already want to strangle myself.  I wonder how many more years I will have to spend on this before my PI accepts that maybe, just maybe, my research is impossible.

16 comments:

Wearing Mascara said...

LOL I love that quiz you have!

Miss Outlier said...

Aw, I feel for you!

Is there a way to ask your PI (phrased more tactfully, of course), "Under what conditions would you consider giving up trying to purify Protein Y?" And then if you get an answer, you might then be able to show that yes, you have after umpteen years indeed met those conditions.

Anonymous said...

You should be involved in multiple projects while trying to purify Y, so that you'll have data and results for your dissertation; eventually your PI has to let you go!!

La Table De Nana said...

I made it a point to read your whole well written post:)You make beautiful pinwheel cookies.. you will purify Protein Y:)

Mrs. CH said...

That sounds so incredibly frustrating. My initial project for my thesis turned out to not be feasible - and luckily I was able to convince my PI of this about 1.5 years in. So, we sold it as a feasibility study in my thesis, and I did two other (related) projects as well.

Hopefully you will at least be able to include this work in your thesis, no matter how it works out.

Good luck!

Blablover5 said...

Ugh. That sounds like a good time to scream a lot and maybe rant under the desk for a while. Or get one of those old chemistry bond kits and just strange the hell out of a mock up of protein Y for a while.

Mrs. Chemist said...

Impossible project suck, especially when your PI refuses to accept that it just can't be done. I was lucky in that my impossible project was a side project, so when I declared it impossible it was dropped. Good luck - I'm sure you'll figure something out, think of it this way - he wouldn't ask you try again unless he thought you could do it, be flattered (even though it still sucks).

ScientistMother said...

I feel for you. I am sorry that your PI is refusing to listen to the data.

Mark said...

Julie; stop lying. We know that you're writing webcomics under the pseudonym "Jorge Cham."

Kaitlyn said...

You see, some people in life aim to be scientists. As far as I can see it, I would have a stress related cardiac infarction before 30. I'm in awe, and I'm frustrated for you.

withoutadornment said...

Boom! That is so frustrating. I hope that you have more success and that your PI comes to their senses. Too bad you can't publish a paper on ways not to purify protein y.

Good luck and happy thoughts sent your way!

The lab pixie said...

I know the feeling. There's a specific ligand in our group that is highly useful to our chemistry. It's a six step synthesis involving protecting groups that may or may not actaully work at th end of it all. My supervisor remains convinced that "someone" previsouly in the group has made it in a single step. They haven't. I have read ALL of the lab books. I have emailed previous members I don't know. I have searched the literature. This ligand so far has not been made (and more importantly, purified) in a single step.

I have watched him tell four years of students that they can do it. And because I'm nice, I point out to them that I have really really tried, and that they more than likely really really can't.

And that our supervisor suffers from delusions.

Anonymous said...

I honestly feel for you in your seemingly impossibly quest to purify protein Y.

When I joined my thesis lab the PI told me to keep working on a project another student worked on for 3 years, mostly unsuccessfully. I almost cried when I realized the scope of the impossibilities and hardships involved in the project, and I've seriously contemplated about 400 ways to scream/yell/otherwise express my disgruntlement. The other day I thought about how satisfying it would be to take a whole box of pipette tips and throw them at my PI, or at least in the general direction of his office one by one. After I eyed the 1ml pipette tips for a few minutes my gaze fell on the 25ml plastic pipettes... Those could really hurt someone, I think!

Good Luck.

EthidiumBromide said...

Miss Outlier - The problem with my PI is he never, ever wants to quit once he gets his mind set on something. We spent 2 years doing revisions on a paper trying to get it into Superstar Journal, and he inadvertently screwed me over in the process. But, since it was accepted, making one graduate student completely miserable in the process was hardly worth worrying about in his opinion.

Mrs. CH - My thesis will probably be 75% about things that refused to work. "How I wasted 3 years trying to remove imidazole from a particular protein and never succeeded", etc.

Without Adornment - It is always frustrating that you can't publish what DOESN'T work (though there are a few journals with extremely low readership starting to do this). Maybe someone else has been down this same path with Protein Y and I'm wasting years repeating work that someone already knows is futile!

Lab Pixie - Your advisor sounds like mine!

Anonymous - I'm pretty sure you could poke someone's eye out with the 25ml serological pipettes. ;)

Amelie said...

argh, I'm sorry, this sucks. And it's ethically not acceptable to go and find another student who "wants" to follow up on this project...

Disgruntled Chemist said...

I feel your pain. I'm a 4th-year PhD student in chemistry over in the UK, and I've spent three years so far on a system which a) doesn't work and b) doesn't behave in the same way reproducibly even when it doesn't work. I have 6 months funding remaining and somehow in this time have to produce a thesis with no results worth writing about. I've moaned at my PI more-or-less continuously since about six months into my first year and she refuses to let me do anything else.

It's incredibly frustrating, but at least in the US you have a thesis committee to go to. Over here my PI's word is final!

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